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Author Topic: *decision made (update)* I own both the Pre and the 3GS. Here is what I think.  (Read 4753 times)
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« on: June 19, 2009, 01:20:29 PM »

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The timing couldn’t be better.  I was up for a new contract and the Pre and 3GS came out at relatively the same time.  I have both now.  Each has 30 days to be brought back and I will decide which one I like more.

My thoughts so far.

Navigation (not GPS nav, navigating the phone functions): The Pre is by far better at navigating through the phones features.  You can go back and forth and trash windows so easily with the gesture area.  On the iPhone you have to either click the middle button* which brings you back to the main screen or hit a little back button at the top left corner.  With one hand, this is a pain, it is sorta hard to reach.  The iPhone takes two hands in order to easily and speedily reach a lot of options. 

Feel: I like the feel of the iPhone a lot more.  It feels that it was built sturdier.  However, the Pre fits a lot better in my hand.  The Pre also slides, so it is much more compact in my pocket.  The iPhone does take a lot of pocket room.

Keyboard: this really doesn’t matter for me.  I will get used to either one, they are both fine.

Battery: I have the extended 1350 batter for my Pre, so my battery life is a bit better.  The iPhone 3GS seems to have excellent battery life.  I have been using it for about 5 straight hours and have drained about 20% of the batter.  But once bigger batteirs become available, I can choose whatever range of power I want.

Camera: iPhone wins this solely because it has an auto focus.  I also never use video recording, so I could care less about that feature.

Speed: They really feel the same in terms of loading websites and what not.  I do notice that my Pre is a bit choppier when switching through the screen to locate apps, but I am almost positive this can be fixed through software updates.  On the other hand, the iPhone does this flawlessly out of the box.

Apps: I honestly like the Pre in this category too.  All the apps I have used to far on the Pre are very polished and easy to navigate.  All the free apps on the iPhone have advertisements and have too much going on with them, it hinders my experience.  I would like to see some apps for the Pre though, such as facebook and Bank of America; but that is really just a waiting game for that stuff.

Reception: I sound much more like myself though the Pre than the iPhone.  AT&T has a better servicing range, but they still have problems maintaining 3G.

Voice dial:  Ok, the iPhone rocks this out, and is a feature I love.  The 3GS has push button voice activation.  Hold down the middle button and say what you want and it flawlessly gets it.  I even spoke very fast and inaccurately and the 3GS still picked up what I said.  If this came to the Pre… I would poo a little… It really is a huge advantage to the 3GS.

Screen: I do like the 3GS screen a bit more.  It is a little bigger and I like that.  On the same hand it is bigger so my fingers have to be all over the place, sometimes requiring two hands to reach the entire portion of the screen.  So the screen’s viewing experience is a bit better but the functionality is worse.

In all, I don’t understand the whole iPhone thing.  It’s a pain to navigate and sprint has tons more options such as turn by turn navigation and nights starting at 7 rather than 9 (not to mention its $20 a month cheaper).  The iPhone is a money sink IMO.  Everything good costs too much, such as apps, and AT&T costs too much monthly.  My initial thoughts are that the Pre is far above and beyond the 3GS.  Even when the 3GS comes out with turn by turn you will have to pay for the application that allows you to access to maps. 

I also feel disorganized with the iPhone.  The main page for the iPhone shows me all my apps and options, but this makes me feel too cluttered, where the Pre you must request access to all your clutter.

*The damn middle button: Ok, the middle button on the iPhone royally pisses me off.  On the Pre, when you dismiss an application or browser the next time you use it you begin at your home page.  With the iPhone you begin where you left off.  This annoys me so much because when I dismiss something, I am done with it, I don’t want to see the article I was reading hours ago.  So in order to get back to the main screen you have to continually hit the back button until you find what you want.

Take this one step further.  On the Pre I use the MLB application quite a bit.  I am an Orioles fan so I look at their news and stats the most out of any team.  However, I still look at other teams stats.  When I close the application and then access it again it takes me right back to my Oriole home page.  With the iPhone when I close the application and reopen it, I am right back where I left off.  So if I am looking at another team’s homepage I have to keep going back and back until I am back at the team selection screen and then select the Orioles again.  Damn that is annoying!

These are just some things I felt like commenting on.  Please feel free to ask me any questions, I have both phones for 30 days before I return one, and I already feel like returning the iPhone the day I bought it.

**Please excuse grammatical errors.  I am at work and didn't feel like reading it over.  I will fix it at home.

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Yesterday I took my second and last trip to the AT&T store, returning my iPhone.  Some wrap up thoughts. 

The iPhone has some sweet accessories (though, IMO a very weak argument for the iPhone, but I will make it anyway), I mean you could customize the hell out of it with cases and skins; on the same hand I will hopefully be able to do this with the Pre given some time for people to develop accessories.

I never could get over how the middle button function on the iPhone.  Though I hated it at first, I thought that I would get used to it and eventually even like it.  No dice.  I just couldn't get over being annoyed after opening applications and being dropped back to where I thought the application should have closed and reset.

Other than that, the iPhone does rock.  The voice access feature is super cool, not only does it call for you but can open any feature of the phone for you hands free.  I really wish the Pre had this feature (maybe pushing the middle button will one day grant this).

However, the Pre has little quirks that made the experience a considerable amount more enjoyable than the iPhone.  I felt very in sync with the Pre, where everything was right in my palm (no pun intended, well maybe a little).  I felt the Pre was an extension of my life, making it super easy to access everything I needed.  I felt the iPhone was more of its own device and required me to obey by its rules.  Also everything about the iPhone that is cool costs money, I felt that if I sunk a little into the trap that I would eventually do a complete landslide.

In the end, it was an easy decision and I am sure everyone has their own opinion about which phone they like more.

***I just want to elaborate a little more, ramble if I may.  I feel the Pre is designed specifically for my hand, custom fit.  Everything can be accessed with just my thumb; quickly I might add too.  Though it is a "thumb" phone, it really is brilliantly designed and feels next generation.  The Pre feels like a device made to access everything web based, super easily and super conveniently.  The iPhone seemed more like a game where things flashed and turned everything into a cartoon.  This is fun, but maybe geared towards a younger audience to get that "wow" factor based on name brand and flashiness.  I felt like I was playing gameboy on the iPhone.  This may seem like a plus side to some, but I want super ease of use, "I push this and get EXACTLY what I want... with ONE hand (finger), I might add". 

****One thing I really didn't like about the iPhone is every time I pulled it out I felt like I was showing it off.  I expected people to say "oh, an iPhone!", made me feel an aurora of cell phone superiority like I was driving a loud sport car, revving my engine at every stop light to make people look at me.  With my Pre, I felt much more comfortable.  I felt that I could check my stocks and emails, nothing more, not showing off what my measly $200 had bought me.

*****I didn't integrate the starred stuff in my review because it was more side thoughts, like a chat bubble rather than what I wanted to include in my "real" review.



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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2009, 01:30:33 PM »

Good stuff. And you also seem impartial and I like that. I'm wondering if an update or two will happen on the Pre before your month is up and you can re-evaluate this. We'll see. Also, if the SDK for the Pre does get released, we'll see a ton of apps released because you are basically programming in some of the most common coding languages out now. I can the apps being more useful and interactive.

It'll definitely be interesting.

One last question:

I've never understood people with two phones, why do you need both? Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2009, 01:31:37 PM »

Damn, thanks for sharing your thoughts! I really like how you approach this decision!

Actually to be honest, I think you already made your decision. But before you return any phone, I suggest you wait for the next (and basically first) update for the Pre. That should fix a lot of the issues all first adopters had, I guess it comes soon. Then, think about it again.

Autofocus is really a great feature, but for me personally, I'm satisfied with the DSP picture quality of the Pre, so that's not a killer considering the webOS advantages. Video recording will come with an update I'm quite sure.
Voice dialing depends on your needs. I wouldn't need it, but Apple sure did a freakin' good job implementing it. I just hope we will see this in an update, it's totally possible because Palm definitely wants to catch up with the 3G S concerning the features.

So, I'm excited to hear your final decision! Smiley

Edit: he doesn't need both phones, that's why he's going to return one Wink
Edit 2: You get a cookie from me too! Like I said I really like this approach Wink
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2009, 01:32:16 PM »

Good stuff. And you also seem impartial and I like that. I'm wondering if an update or two will happen on the Pre before your month is up and you can re-evaluate this. We'll see. Also, if the SDK for the Pre does get released, we'll see a ton of apps released because you are basically programming in some of the most common coding languages out now. I can the apps being more useful and interactive.

It'll definitely be interesting.

One last question:

I've never understood people with two phones, why do you need both? Smiley

Well I am test driving them both.  I have 30 days to return either one, full money back guarantee.  So which ever I like more I will keep; I will not be keeping both.
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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2009, 01:33:19 PM »

I think he's just test driving them... Seeing which one he wants.


Yeah, I appreciate the lack of fanboyism...lol


Great read. +1 cookie.

EDIT: Dangit...too slow.
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2009, 01:34:39 PM »

Damn, thanks for sharing your thoughts! I really like how you approach this decision!

Actually to be honest, I think you already made your decision. But before you return any phone, I suggest you wait for the next (and basically first) update for the Pre. That should fix a lot of the issues all first adopters had, I guess it comes soon. Then, think about it again.

Autofocus is really a great feature, but for me personally, I'm satisfied with the DSP picture quality of the Pre, so that's not a killer considering the webOS advantages. Video recording will come with an update I'm quite sure.
Voice dialing depends on your needs. I wouldn't need it, but Apple sure did a freakin' good job implementing it. I just hope we will see this in an update, it's totally possible because Palm definitely wants to catch up with the 3G S concerning the features.

So, I'm excited to hear your final decision! Smiley

Edit: he doesn't need both phones, that's why he's going to return one Wink

Honestly, I am 95% decided on keeping the Pre.  I dont want to return the iPhone yet, because it isnt fair to dismiss the iPhone so quickly.  But I really really hate how the iPhone navigates through its features, I cant stand it!  
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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2009, 01:59:11 PM »

Oh, another little tidbit that I have discovered is that is seems the Sprint network is much zippier in regards to receiving emails.  I had both my Pre and 3GS set to recieve the same mailbox and then sent a couple emails out.  The Pre picked each up quicker than the iPhone - by about 5 to 10 seconds.
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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2009, 02:51:09 PM »

Not to mention the iPhone doesnt offer equipment protection  Embarrassed which is a major turn off.
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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2009, 10:06:53 PM »

My wife picked up her iphone 3gs today, and the showdown has begun. 

Backgroud: I got the Pre June 11th, She got her Iphone 3GS today June 19th.
Rules: We both get one week to use the iphone 3gs / Pre.

So far I love the Pre.  I do have a few complaints
1) Calendar does not Push.  I hate having to go into preferences, and hit sync.  Waste of time.
2) Lag between apps.  I know keep the apps that you use open.  But I found it drains memory, and battery and increases the lag while opening other apps.
3) Crashes.  I had the  loose battery crash, and random lock ups even when there were only a few apps open.  The last lock up wouldn't allow me to type the letters v or b.  Had to do a soft restart to resolve.

What I do love is the organization of contacts, and the ability to get notifications with IMs email etc.  My wife and I are using AIM, and we found out that with the iphone if you do not have the AIM app open it won't notify you.  Of coarse you can have AIM send you a SMS that you have a new IM, but that's just silly.  Plus we're not sure yet if that will count against her text limits.  Probably will. 

Web browsing is very similar.  We were driving around in the car and found different dead zones for each carrier.  No biggie so far.  Some pages loaded faster with Sprint, others with AT&T.

Storage size hands down goes to iphone, with 32Gb the Pre doesn't compare. 

Keyboard.  I think the Pre blows the Iphone away.  I can type so much faster with the Pre.  But I've also been using it for a week.  Will have to see how well the iphone's intelligent type works.

Will post more later.
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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2009, 03:22:46 AM »

@yodkc Your no. 1 should be fixed! 1.03 release note says they changed the syncing to every 15 minutes!
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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2009, 05:47:45 AM »

I've never understood people with two phones, why do you need both? Smiley

jeez, he never said he's gonna keep both, clearly, he bought the 2 phones for testing and comparison purposes and he'll return the other one.

i would commend the author of this thread and we needed reviews like this. IMO, the review is unbiased plainly comparing the major features side by side but also, you could sense some features to be of personal preference w/c i won't blame the author if he favors 1 feature of the unit over the other, and vice versa.

great review!
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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2009, 05:58:36 AM »

Hi hisgreatness2, welcome to the forum! Smiley

Please try not to double-post, you can modify your post by clicking the "Modifiy" link. Thanks police
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